Monday, August 10, 2009

Joel Osteen, John Piper And Suffering

I preached from Isaiah 49:14-16 yesterday. The text starts with these words...

But Zion said, “The Lord has forsaken me;
my Lord has forgotten me.”

I used that text to springboard into the Bible's teaching on suffering. The gist: God's people have always, now are and will always suffer. This is the unavoidable teaching of Scripture. And it is also why "Bible teachers" who want to reshape the Bible's message on suffering will have so much to answer for on the day of judgment.

I offer the following two videos on the subject to show how two preachers of two very large churches handle the concept of suffering as they teach their people.

By the way, I may do a post later this week on Osteen's unbelievable comment that "God is not moved by our tears but our faith." Wow!

Oh, how I pray the church would grow in its discernment of true biblical teaching.


Glenn said...

I join you in your prayer for discernment my friend.

"They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. 'Peace, peace,' they say, when there is no peace." (Jer 6:14)

Greg said...


Great verse to include here, bro. Thanks for stopping by!

donsands said...

Good post Greg. Osteen is a waste. Piper is great.

The Word of God is what makes the difference. And Joel said he doesn't teach the Bible. That's why I said he is a waste, spiritually. He is no different than any other postive religion that wants you to feel good about yourself, and have lots of things to make you happy.

There's a lot of persecution going on.
Check this out:

Greg said...


That's a great link. Brings me to tears as I think about my brothers and sisters in Christ who REALLY know what it means to follow hard after Christ.

dan said...


Found your contrast to be interesting. I just published a sketch where I contrast these two as well. I call it "A Study in Contrasts". Here's the link - it seems to fit your post well: